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11:23 PM

dark tulpamancy is only for advanced people

11:23 PM

because it can just make all your practice fall apart

fair, but i think i'm getting close to being ready for some of the entry-level dark stuff

11:24 PM

if not ready now

Just look on Etsy

huh?

11:25 PM

the place where people sell stuff?

dark tulpamancy stuff can make you doubt, it would be hard to work with so unless your tulpamancy practice is very stable, your tulpa is very developed and consistent, you feel secure in the practice and you are able to just take it as what it is, it might just ruin it for you (edited)

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11:28 PM

it’s definitey not for everyone

i'm of the belief that i hit all those checkmarks, but i'll wait until kaybee decides to deviate just to make sure they're completely stable.

11:32 PM

but they are pretty consistent now, i've thought about them and talked daily for at least a month or two, been trying to build communication since january, and i'm in the right mindstate to recognize what is them/feels like them and what isn't/doesn't.

what the fuck is dark tulpamancy

Idfk. I'm just watching the show

Luminesce: Calling that sort of thing "dark tulpamancy" is really funny, though it's not good that it makes it sound negative/evil (edited)

2:13 AM

I'm not even sure what I'd call that stuff though, in the past I've referred to certain things like how switching really works as "meta-tulpamancy", meta as in "above-perspective" not metaphysical (edited)

2:13 AM

Truly is no good just going around talking about that stuff because people just have all the wrong mental framing

2:13 AM

Better to keep guidelines and recommended-beliefs

2:14 AM

Also practically worthless to try and share IMO

2:14 AM

It's not like I've discovered "secrets", I just get how stuff works. If someone doesn't, telling them such-and-such is only so helpful when they necessarily don't get it yet (edited)

2:15 AM

Anyways, Kitkat's joking about expanding the scope of what you can do "related to tulpamancy", which is of course practically infinitely big, as human imagination and internal-experiences go

Tulpa stuff is a weird subject for me bc it makes like no sense (we're an osdd system)

2:16 AM

Like have fun MarkdownContext { Depth = 1 } but aaa

Luminesce: "Dark tulpamancy" is a joke because tulpamancy normally sets lots of beliefs and expectations that are in some sense limiting (edited)

Ah okay

Luminesce: The same way a paved road is "limiting" from just walking off in random directions (edited)

2:17 AM

But most people would say these beliefs and expectations are necessary to give direction to people trying to have these experiences.

2:18 AM

Kitkat disagrees and claims you can simultaneously guide people to having experiences like tulpamancy without putting ideas in their heads, but in my mind, to do what Kitkat implies is pointless, because someone could just create the experience they want without ever having heard a name or from a community what's-possible in the first place.

2:18 AM

I personally, haven't really seen said in-between

2:19 AM

I think the community's set expectations-and-beliefs do a great job. Just the mention every so often that there aren't rules to tulpamancy and that these are just recommendations of experiences you could have that many others have before you should be enough to not limit any "free spirits", IMO (edited)

Hm. Oki

(also the term "dark tulpamancy" was created like a month or two ago by Kitkat only, it's not really a "thing"...... yet?)

Something tells me it won't catch on..

Luminesce: Probably just gonna be used locally by them (edited)

2:28 AM

Since it gives off the impression of being negative/evil and/or magic

2:29 AM

I believe it's a Star Wars reference/parallel

sorry, i only do light bulpamancy

(also the term "dark tulpamancy" was created like a month or two ago by Kitkat only, it's not really a "thing"...... yet?)

@Reisen - jump ugh, I still remember when we occasionally got meta people expausing "dark tulpamancy" with things like controlling/enslaving your tulpas, kill switches and other such things. It's kinda what originally made us pretty vary of the ethics of a lot of occult stuff in the first place taking an extra hard look anytime people talk about their meta practices

Reisen

Kitkat disagrees and claims you can simultaneously guide people to having experiences like tulpamancy without putting ideas in their heads, but in my mind, to do what Kitkat implies is pointless, because someone could just create the experience they want without ever having heard a name or from a community what's-possible in the first place.

ummm it’s not about not putting ideas, how can you develop a tulpa without knowing what a tulpa is? that would be a silly thing to suggest. talking about general concepts and people’s experience is fine if not a must it’s more about the ideas of the explainer for how all of this works, how to do it, putting too mamy definitions and distinctions etc because that’s not needed or even helpful for a beginner, it can get someone stuck, there are better ways (edited)

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people don’t realise that the way tulpamancy is talked about and taught encourages doubt

I'm aware there's a level of skepticism sewn into the practice. While I understand that can make things harder for people, I see it as necessary to help people practice critical thinking. It's important to have some level of doubt some of the time, or else you struggle with bad mindsets and/or accepting advice that doesn't work for you. There's nothing better than deciding for yourself if it's safe to believe or not

12:32 PM

@ Darkmancy Eh, I'd much rather call it weirdmancy. All the stuff that gets off the rails and can be really confusing without a deeper understanding of the practice. Beginners can learn about it, but they would need to be told about mindsets and some examples of how and why this works. If mental health complicates things I like to call it "traumamancy". If mental health complicates things too much, I'd call it "go see a doctor ". I think that's worth emphasizing because there's a fine line between weird goofy stuff and concerning stuff

A long kiss goodnight

@ Darkmancy Eh, I'd much rather call it weirdmancy. All the stuff that gets off the rails and can be really confusing without a deeper understanding of the practice. Beginners can learn about it, but they would need to be told about mindsets and some examples of how and why this works. If mental health complicates things I like to call it "traumamancy". If mental health complicates things too much, I'd call it "go see a doctor ". I think that's worth emphasizing because there's a fine line between weird goofy stuff and concerning stuff

yeah that’s why i’m saying none of thay is for beginners

I'm aware there's a level of skepticism sewn into the practice. While I understand that can make things harder for people, I see...

@A long kiss goodnight - jump i agree with the last sentence, and i think you should have a safety mechanism out. To be honest i haven’t seem much critica thinking being mentioned in the guides, i meant other things in the community that encourage doubt

I haven't either, it's something I hope to change. I felt my 'you don't have to make' article is a good start

As far as other doubt, people tend to struggle with it in the early phase of vocality. I cannot commit to "just believe", I feel that trust should be earned. I am however aware not everyone benefits from being told, "it's the art of convincing yourself there's another person in your head". For me I will never be comfortable saying "this is real" unless I can point to some scientific article saying it is. It could be fake at the end of the day, telling people otherwise would be lying. And keep in mind we're at a point where people won't appreciate "real" meaning a different definition of another person, when people think "real" they think magical ghost that doesn't live in their head and has separate memories. So without scientific backing it's hard to say creation is "real" (edited)

to be fair i’m not sure what the conversation is about because it’s a bit like you are arguing against something noone here claimed, so i can’t tell if it’s arguments to someone’s specific stance or just speaking in general what your opinion is

Ah, I thought we were talking about doubt being taught and how it's causing problems. I'm sorry if I got the wrong idea

oh ok i might have missed a few steps but im on holiday and just occasionally jump in!

I've had tulpas for a long time now but due to recent trauma I've "put them away" I guess I just didn't ever get back to it But recently I wanted to help myself grow comfortable again and I have two of them back Though difficult to keep connected to But, I was wondering about switching When I used to have it happen in the past, about 2 to 3 years ago It felt more like I was still there completely, just acting as them And I don't know if it was because I was inexperienced at the time and didn't actually know what I was doing or if that's a common way to feel when they switch I'm someone who has always acted out characters and scenes alone in my room so it kind of felt like that to me I just wonder what it feels like for others Mine are very rare to switch anymore, but I'm interested in trying again

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I've had tulpas for a long time now but due to recent trauma I've "put them away" I guess I just didn't ever get back to it But recently I wanted to help myself grow comfortable again and I have two of them back Though difficult to keep connected to But, I was wondering about switching When I used to have it happen in the past, about 2 to 3 years ago It felt more like I was still there completely, just acting as them And I don't know if it was because I was inexperienced at the time and didn't actually know what I was doing or if that's a common way to feel when they switch I'm someone who has always acted out characters and scenes alone in my room so it kind of felt like that to me I just wonder what it feels like for others Mine are very rare to switch anymore, but I'm interested in trying again

i'm pretty sure this is just a common way of feeling, like when i switch my awareness is still there cos it's intrinsic to the brain but who i feel i am changes

I see

i often do that voluntarily to bring others about + it can feel like that sometimes ye

it's funny, we have a strong urge to clean our room today

6:51 PM

but i'm not sure if it's kb trying to front or proxy, or me trying to do it for her

6:52 PM

cos she brought it up, i'm ambivalent to it even though it's admittedly really messy

could just be your brain automatically routing to that too i suppose? like a... reflex idk what word fits better here

singlets also experience urges out of nowhere

6:56 PM

if you have an urge then thay’s what it is, it doesn’t need to come from a specific place, and spending time on trying to locate where it came from can just make it feel weird

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that too

yo i did it i can switch on command

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3:50 AM

lets go

sweet

We might set up a fronting schedule for a while to get everyone in front in a semi-organized manner.

You can do a schedule???

6:28 AM

Man

Good luck

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Reply to: We might set up a fronting schedule for a while to get everyone in front in a semi-organized manner.

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I'm trying to think of pros and cons for this. If anyone has any I'd love to know. There's around 20 of us. Our idea is to have our hosts front every day, and choose one additional person per day to join them, being different each day.

I remember when there was 5

6:30 AM

You guys quadrupled

It depends on how willing the non-host people are to front or not, if they’re content with only co-fronting once a month then that’s fine

6:31 AM

Also depends how many hosts you have

We've got two.

maybe an A/B schedule where the co-front gets switched out every other day could be the most reasonable

Oh? Could you elaborate?

it would take little over a month to go through all the possible combinations

6:48 AM

so on the first day, go with Host A and Co-Front 1, then on the second go with Host B and Co-Front 1, third go Host A and Co-Front 2, and so on

6:48 AM

every co-front would get two consecutive days of front time in a little over a month

That's... 40 days

18 non-hosts

Oh

36 days total

Smurt

we try :3c

:3

Ohh, that makes sense.

the few cons of this system are where some co-fronts have their days be when something boring has to happen over like a week or something like that

6:50 AM

but otherwise it's hard to see the downsides

6:51 AM

with the hosts tagging off each day it would be easy for each side to recuperate

We're really just doing this to A.) Give everyone the chance to front guaranteed. B.) See who wants to stay and who wants to fuse. C.) Give people a break who seem like they really need it. We're not going to be at our current size forever. We're working on shrinking.

oh yeah y'all can definitely figure out things in like two months i'm sure

6:52 AM

things would get tricky if you want more than 1 co-fronter, especially if you're trying to figure out who likes who's company more often than not

6:52 AM

but again, y'all are smart and probably know each other well enough to even have an educated guess already

Yeah, I'm going to draft it out on a calendar tomorrow.

6:55 AM

It's hard, because a lot of people prefer fronting with specific people, but with two hosts who aren't changing from the schedule, and only one spot per day, it might not be optimal

Gn smart people

night

12:11 PM

i found this and it's extremely accurate